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How will light rail impact Randwick City?

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Dijana over 2 years ago
As a life-long Matraville resident am I passionate about the future of Sydney’s south eastern suburbs. While the area has remained largely unchanged and untapped, in recent years many are realising the area’s potential. Rising house prices and general population growth are a reflection of this.With an expanding population, it is absolutely necessary that infrastructure meets growth. The reasons for this are clear. I have not seen any kind of significant investment into servicing our area in the last 10 years *. Deep regret has been expressed about the abolishment of the tramline in 1958. As a result, the area is now car dependant and poorly serviced. We are now looking at re-introducing trams and perhaps this is an opportunity to get it right, the second time. A well thought out and practical light rail development has the potential to rejuvenate the area in more ways than one. Is there anyone with a strong understanding of south-east Sydney involved in the light rail plans? Or is the community secondary to a quick delivery?I have noted a number of issues that I would like to discuss with the involved parties. I would like to meet with you in person. I am not anti light rail, but I am deeply concerned about its planning and delivery. Sydney’s south-east is well established suburbia with only buses and cars connecting us to the city. There are no commuter train services closer than Central Station. Unlike the recent inner-west light rail, our former tram lines have long since vanished. Buildings and areas that currently stand need to be demolished and restructured. This is a given but it’s also a sensitive area. The community needs to be consulted about this, and instead of staunchly opposing, we, as a community, should be negotiating the future of our area. Please contact me in regards to this. I would like to be involved, because I will be contacting you if you don’t. Kind Regards,Dijana Damjanovic 0415 384 504
Capitalgrowth almost 3 years ago
Interested to know how many of the people who aren't happy about this proposal own property in the area. Property owners I know are very happy to have this infrastructure in the area. It's not a bad thing to be more populated, I think it will create a great vibe and have more people out and about. People have known for a long time this was coming and have plenty of time to move elsewhere if not happy, there will always be someone else happy to move in close to the city, beaches and uni.
MereB almost 3 years ago
I have lived on High Street for 15 years now and in the last 2 years got a car (due to work) - it is so difficult to find parking now, to the point that on Saturdays we don't move the car as it has taken over an hour to find a car spot and so very often, we have to park quite far away from my home. My concern is that through the removal of already limited car spaces, that it is going to make it virtually impossible to find a park?In addition to this, what is the noise going to be like seeing the light rail will be passing my bedroom window?At this stage, my partner and I are seriously thinking of moving out of Randwick (which we don't want to do as we love being part of this community) as we can only see the negative impact that it will bring.
R-L over 3 years ago
These light rail designs would have a major adverse impact on Randwick city (as entailed in the EIS). Most outrageous would be the removal of around 280 trees, including numerous trees listed as being of 'exceptional significance', which would majorly and adversely impact the heritage, visual, and overall amenity and cultural values of our area. I cannot see how, after such an EIS, the project can be allowed to go ahead.
Brew over 3 years ago
Trees can be re-planted. Providing light rail will significantly improve local air and noise pollution caused by buses. As for heritage, well, trams were running down Anzac Pde long before buses were. There are always sacrifices in any project of this scale, however, the benefits will far outweigh the negatives. One thing though...the light rail should not be used to justify jamming more people into Randwick. If you want to live in a crowded hovel, go live in Mumbai.
R-L over 3 years ago
Many trees will not be able to be replanted where they are -or very nearby for that matter -as the race tracks, Light Rail tracks, or overhead wiring would not allow for it. Plus trees as large as those around the racecourse take a long time to grow, and such healthy mature trees provide many valuable amenities for residents. I do not agree that the benefits outweigh the negatives - the costs are far too high at the moment. That is why we should make submissions to improve the design - it should not be allowed to go ahead as it is. After all- who says there needs to be negatives? Alternative, improved design is possible - design that avoids such negatives. There does not need to be a trade-off.If you read the EIS you will see that there are other options which Randwick Council itself prefers, but which have been ignored by the project. The design is not the way that Randwick Council would even have it - those who fought for this project in the first place do not want these negatives. They are avoidable.
FierceDinosaur almost 3 years ago
Agree with all you say. I cannot for the life of me see why they always spend so much money on EISs and then ignore the advice in them. Ditto when they call for public comment. I suppose they are statutorily obliged to do those things, but all decisions are made long before.
noway over 3 years ago
Get with it people. I understand the Uni kids like the idea, however there are people on route who actually live in the area and travel to various parts of Sydney. South Dowling street is a total mess each day. Can't you see that Anzac Pde will also turn into a bottle neck? These are really the only two possible routes for us living in the area. And now we have the 'clever' people making decisions. And Scott Nash thinks it's a great idea to stuff up the roads. Another Clover sycophant. I'm disappointed. The other unfortunate aspect to this is that decisions have already been made and this only gives people the opportunity to vent. Is anybody with influence really reading this stuff? When I asked a question at one of the presentations about how may lanes are going to be lost and where is the extra space going to appear at the intersection of Anzac and Alison, I got a sheepish answer and "we have yet to work that out". What the ....!!! What does that mean. Decide first and try to crack the problems later. Not forward thinking folks. Don't get me started on buses versus bikes during peak hours!
Brew over 3 years ago
So what's your answer? Everyone just keep driving? Its fairly clear that isn't working. It took me 40 minutes to get from Randwick to Vaucluse today. By car.
FierceDinosaur almost 3 years ago
Well, the light rail won't help you to get to Vaucluse from Randwick. And they are using the light rail as an excuse to bring in 2 Urban Activation Precincts the full length of Anzac Parade - high rises of 20 storeys all the way to La Perouse. The light rail won't cope with this. Heavy rail is what is needed, underground. No doubt about it.
Sonia almost 3 years ago
luna over 3 years ago
Randwick will turn into a nightmare for everyone. Traffic congestion, it will slow emergency vehicles and slow the process of buses that don't go to the city but other suburbs. Parking will become impossible so the retail businesses will suffer. It is easy to see it just won't work for Randwick as there is not enough room to accommodate Trams.
heyjude over 3 years ago
Why are you trying to turn Sydney into a second class Melbourne. You will destroy Randwick which we all think of as a "gem of a city" as there will be no transport for people wanting to go to Oxford Street along to David Jones etc. Unless the buses are kept on which go down Oxford Street into Elizabeth Street then Light rail is a very stupid plan thought up by very stupid people.
bl13 over 3 years ago
while looking forward to the introduction of the light rail, it's what will be taken away which I am not happy about: no more single trip bus rides to circular quay, we will be forced to board at Maroubra (or beyond) and alight at UNSW in order to complete the city-bound journey (and again in returning). I would like to be allowed a choice of transport modes. If the reason for removing buses is the parking required at the terminus, can they not be run on a loop as well, so as not to require terminus parking?
FierceDinosaur almost 3 years ago
Yes, I agree, most of this could be solved by the buses dropping people in a loop at Redfern or Central, so they can transfer to heavy rail which already EXISTS down George St. The light rail plan duplicates rail services down George Street, while removing all the buses, and shifts the bottle necks elsewhere! A city like this should have either heavy or light rail UNDERGROUND, especially if it is to grow (via the Urban Activation Precincts!!). It is very short-sighted. Light rail was needed 20 years ago, and now it's too late. We need underground rail.
Ahree over 3 years ago
I think light rail based on the current plan, is not good enough and could have a very negative impact on Randwick City.I think people need to think seriously about a plan that shows a lack of empathy with the community at large and a very narrow focus for the future. A strategy that proposes removing healthy mature trees from the community is short sighted and poorly planned. It is not taking into consideration the aesthetics and well being of the people in the community and the local ecosystems, native wild life such as birds, possums and the endangered native grey-headed flying foxes.Mature trees take a long time to grow, and they are not only beautiful to look at, they absorb carbon dioxide and other dangerous gases. And the added bonus is that they release oxygen. On that last point alone, that should be enough for city planners to say, "let's rethink what we're doing here, since what we're trying to do is manage the projected passenger demands and also help to reduce the rising levels of carbon dioxide".Trees help to reduce air temperature, block sunlight, reduce noise levels. Removing them comes at a cost, to the environment and people's health. In this day and age, surely there are enough innovative designers / planners around to come up with a plan that works to enhance and work in harmony with the environment rather than destroy it?And what happens if the light rail plan ends up being a disaster or ineffective? What's the next plan? What else can be destroyed? If you look at an aerial view of the proposed light rail route around the Randwick area, (thanks to google maps) you can see that the amount of clustered trees in the area is sadly lacking. Why cut down the trees along Alison Road, Wansey Road? If they're cut down local residents will experience increased noise levels and pollution from road traffic along with light rail passing their homes 7 days a week and a reduction in parking areas.Solution. Why can't the light rail plan utilise some of the Royal Randwick Racecourse? It has been used for the Pope's visit to Sydney, by music festivals, special events. Why can't the people of Randwick and surrounding suburbs have access to it, on a more regular basis? That way it is helping to support a service that truly benefits the whole community. And saves trees, wildlife and keeps residents happy.Plus the surrounding trees will enhance the visual appeal of the light rail journey for commuters. Look at the google map and see for yourself. https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=wansey+road+randwick&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF-8&ei=CUafUuuyIsK8kgXw0oDwDg&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAgAnd lastly an above ground substation at High Cross Park is not a good idea. They have to rethink that one. It should be mandatory for all city planning from now on - Leave all parks to the community. They need to be protected not destroyed.
FierceDinosaur almost 3 years ago
With regard to High Cross Park - not only is there an above ground substation planned, but most of the park will be gone to accommodate the terminus, along with just about all the heritage trees. The Council want the terminus to be opposite the POW entrance (or at least a lot closer) - they could resume some of those offices there. A much better solution. This light rail design is bad planning at its worst.
bblooman over 3 years ago
I welcome the Light Rail and see it as having a long term benefit to our Randwick community. However I live on Alison Road without a garage and am likely to lose all my parking. If this is the case I will no longer be able to have direct access to my unit, my neighbours with garages will have trouble backing out into oncoming traffic on a blind corner, and my elderly parents will no longer be able to visit. Randwick council please stand up for the residents of Alison Rd and help us to retain our parking lane on the north side of Alison Road. Need Alison Road Parking (NAP)
Joey over 3 years ago
The light rail plan will have a detrimental effect on not only Randwick but on the whole of the East! There are so so many reasons why it is a bad idea;- Randwick is already overdeveloped and overcrowded and can't cope with the traffic it already has. The rail into the city will not take cars off the road - most people who need to go into the city already take the bus, not everyone works and goes into the city!- The loss of around 885 parking spaces in Randwick will have a terrible knock-on effect to businesses. Randwick is already severely over crowded and lacks parking, considering there are 3 hospitals (POW, Private and Sydney Kids), schools and a university all within a very small area. - The loss of around 760 trees is not only devastating environmentally but is sad and aesthetically will be sad for Randwick. - The cost of $1.6 billion could be much better redirected to areas of greater need. Or spent on more buses if there is a serious transport need.- The light rail will actually make journeys from suburbs not directly on the line of the rail longer and more difficult and not take away the need for buses. - What is wrong with the buses now? - The traffic chaos will be unbearable - especially trying to get along Anzac parade and Alison road (which are already bad enough). Considering these are the routes to the whole of the West and North - not everyone who drives these roads are trying to get to the city. - The disruption/loss of High Cross park at Randwick will be sorely missed - this park is used by many hospital staff and other workers in Randwick at lunch times not to mention has an Anzac memorial and hosts a very well attended Anzac day service each year. - The light rail will be used as an excuse to justify further overdevelopment of Randwick and other suburbs of the East - how many more units can they pack in?! The area is already beyond capacity and is there really a need for more housing??? Is it not just developer greed driving all this development? How many more reasons do we need?! It is a bad bad bad idea! Please Randwick Council - wake up and do something!!! Listen to the people and stop this insanity!
FierceDinosaur almost 3 years ago
Oh how I agree so much with everything you say. The Council does not want to lose High Cross Park, and have proposed that a few offices opposite the POW entrance be resumed, and that land be used. Much more sensible idea, but I am fairly sure that the decisions were made long ago, and High Cross Park will be sacrificed. I am really angry about the loss of all those mature trees - they make a place worth living in, not to mention breathable!! And habitat - what about the "green corridors" that creatures need to traverse the city? Then there is to be 5 or 6 years of construction disruption, and gridlock everywhere. The total loss of parking all along Anzac Parade - I feel very sorry for all the business owners, let alone those who actually live on the road - it will become like Parramatta Road - utterly vile. And of course it will be hard to cross Anzac Parade, or to turn right from it. And of course they are using Light Rail as an excuse to push for the two Urban Activation Precincts - high rises all the way from the Uni to La Perouse. All this for an estimated 4% decrease in travel times to the city!! I think it should be scrapped and instead they should make a proper plan for heavy underground rail.
Badvibes over 3 years ago
Firstly most people will think its great, but have they thought of commuters from Coogee, their bus timetables will definitely be affected for worse and Coogee residents should get on board and voice their opinions. Buses will be reduced to make way for the tram. Some may be forced to catch a bus and the tram, might take longer to get to the city. Even route 400 would be affected.Also High Cross Park will be lost forever as that is where the stabling is earmarked for, together with substation. The noise pollution for residents along this area will increase not decrease. Air pollution will also be worse.Light rail is not a good solution. We have excellent bus services and connections, better now than ever. Why spoil it.
FierceDinosaur over 3 years ago
At first I thought "great!" but then I read the EIS - they say it will be a disaster!! Some of the “negatives” are: Massive expenditure; 5 years of construction disruption and traffic chaos; permanent loss of all parking on Anzac Pde and Alison Rd (leading to business bankruptcies no doubt); parking congestion in streets adjacent to Anzac Pde and Alison Rd; loss of hundreds of large mature fig trees; loss of High Cross Park to an interchange; passengers having to stand all the way to the City on the light rail instead of sitting on a bus (light rail has very few seats); having to change modes of transport - all this for a measley 4 % decrease in travel time to the city! - No one will even notice the difference!! And I am sure it will soon be back to the same level of congestion as there is now, if not worse. And from the city, they are predicting an actual INCREASE in travel times!! I kid you not. It's on Page 55 of Volume 1A of the EIS.The EIS clearly signifies that this is not a good project - too many losses for very few gains. One of the few gains is that George St in the city will be a pedestrian mall - how nice for city workers, while we all suffer!!! Never mind that Anzac Parade will look like Parramatta Rd, no right turns in either direction, pedestrians exposed to traffic right next to the kerb instead of being buffered by parked cars; fewer trees, new ugly overhead power cables – the artists’ impressions don’t show all that. Somewhere in the EIS, it was noted that the loss of hundreds of mature and significant trees was a "negative", but on the "plus side" there would be an opportunity to plant more trees!!!As I stated in my submission, it is time for the government to get real about transport in this area, and build AN UNDERGROUND HEAVY RAIL EXTENSION instead, between Central and Bondi Junction, taking in all 4 proposed Light Rail stops of Moore Park/SCG/EQ, The Racecourse/TAFE, NIDA/UNSW, and UNSW/POW, and possibly adding a couple more, say at Taylor Sq/St Vincents, Charing Cross/War Memorial Hospital, or even The Spot and Clovelly Rd? After all, the stations already exist at Central and Bondi Junction, and it is easy to tunnel in Sydney Sandstone - they are forever doing it for massive highways. Heavy rail cannot be that expensive - they built a line just for the Olympics, a line for the Airport (then charged so much that no-one used it!), a line to Macquarie Uni, and another in the North West. Why not here? It would certainly be a damn sight easier than to build this Light Rail “retrofit” which will mess up everything for everyone.If the main justification for Light Rail is to remove hundreds of buses from the City, why don't they consider doing that now instead? Buses could just as easily drop people at numerous key heavy rail stations, they don't have to go to the city. And after all, when (and if) the Light Rail is built, buses will be dropping people at a Light Rail interchange, so they will have to change modes of transport anyway. The Light Rail duplicates the underground Heavy Rail in the City, and for the life of me I cannot see why this is necessary. Bu the way, 26% of trips in the City are made in private cars, and there doesn't seem to be any plan to tackle that problem.The Light Rail plan should be dropped, and underground Heavy Rail suggestion taken seriously - it can carry 4 times the amount of people that Light Rail can, and most of them get seats; buses should be reorganised to get them out of the city; ticketing should be integrated so that changing modes of transport is not so onerous; and of course, cars in the city should be limited as well. Then we will get clearer roads, less city congestion, a better integrated transport system with lots of new stations at important destinations, and best of all we get to keep our "city lungs" - our priceless heritage mature trees - and our dwindling green spaces.Light Rail Out! Heavy Rail In!!
anna almost 3 years ago
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED..We now have more cars on the road from when the trams were around many years ago. The ROADS ARE NOT ANY WIDER to compensate for the Light rail and so the CAR CONGESTION will be even worse than it is now. There has been No consideration for motorist that can not use the Light rail, and the only 2 laned road in the area will be comprmised and lost MORE CONGESTION. We have more high rise apartments and more being built in the area and so more people and cars. Get ready for greater traffic gridlocks as the Light rail will not alliviate this. Building a car park at the Hub is necessay but will also create more congestion.The newer buses work well and if using the extension bus, more people can be transported. If you are worried about the queues then the buses could come more frequently. Lining up at the University for a bus seems to be in an orderely & sensible manner. Have you thought ABOUT THE SHOP OWNERS along the light rail line- no more convienent street parking, which will drive away business - just look what happened to Parramatta Road Liechhardt for instance. The cost of the Light rail will out weigh its usefulness as it will not be able to sustain the real needs of our area. The Light rail might look good on paper, just a shame we have roads,buisness, people and cars in the equation!!!
FierceDinosaur almost 3 years ago
Agree with all of your points. Just one thing: you do not seem to realise that ALL the parking along Anzac Parade is going to disappear, so as to open another lane to traffic in each direction, as the light rail is to take a lane for itself. I also think that they should have thought more about the fact that people will drive to the area near the stations, and will want to park there all day - the surrounding streets will be a nightmare for residents, so they should have incorporated car parks at stations in the plan!! There will be very few stations on the light rail (they are very expensive to build), compared to the number of bus stops we have now, and people will be tempted to drive to the stations rather than walk. So, now the Council is proposing to spend our PUBLIC money on building a multi-storey car park for the benefit of whoever builds the PRIVATE light rail. That is just not right. I am not arguing about the fact that the light rail should have car parks near it, just who should pay for it.
Lala295 almost 3 years ago
"Great", You wish. This is a terrible idea created by useless people that can't work in this area.As listed on the EIS travel times from Coogee or Maroubra will be impacted by up to 20 minutes due to less buses and a connecting wait time of up to 15 minutes. When asked about 24 hour services they say unlikely, most likely discontinued, people actually use them, bus at 2:30am was full!! Many trees will be lost, some of which are mature large trees home to critically endangered bird and fox species. Removing these will not only remove their beauty but quality of life for those surrounding.Park areas will be lost. High Cross Park is used by the public and a majority will be lost to a terminus for buses, which used to go to Circular Quay.It will disrupt traffic flows which are already congested and the CSELR will only make them worse. At the intersection of Alison Rd and Anzac Parade it will very hard for the 90% of Alison Rd traffic to turn right onto Anzac Parade and most right turns everywhere along the route. This will impact travel times significantly.All parking will be lost along the route. Most of these lost spots are already highly fought over and requried daily. Some people withe out driveways or garages will not have car acess to their homes.The stops and routes are not very well thought out. Stops are badly located. From the main entry of Randwick Hospital it is 600m to the nearest stop. The bus stop is right out front. This route and bus removal has not considered people who live along the route and where people actually go. Oxford St, No!, Hyde Park, No!Coogee, No! Maroubra, No!Some of these places will be served by connecting buses to the light rail but most will be only become acessable via a bus then light rail then long walk then bus which is the replacement of one bus.Overall I believe this was great idea, IN 1962. Now, a usless piece of infastructure.By the way, let's just forget the 5 meter high trucks that will just destroy the low (3.5m high) power cables that will litter the route. Buses need to be kept algong this route. Save the money for heavy rail underground stopping Kings X, Edgeclift, Bondi Jn, Bondi Beach, Bronte Beach, Clovelly Beach, Coogee, Randwick Jn + Hosptial, UNSW, Kingsford, Maroubra Jn and Eastgardens. So much better. Come on Randwick Council and Scott Nash and Gladdys and Barry and Transport for NSW and stop the CSELR now and build underground heavy rail!!
Sonia almost 3 years ago
Sonia almost 3 years ago
I do not support light rail. I can get a bus from Matraville to the city in 37 minutes. On light rail it will take at least 60 minutes. The proposed stop at UNSW is not going to work during peak hour with light rail, cars, buses and bicycles all competing for space on Anzac Pde. Congestion on Anzac pde will be so much worse during peak hour.
jags1958 almost 3 years ago
What a super idea! Light rail in Randwick City... finally! It's about time we improved the transport to Randwick CIty. It is arguably the most densely populated areas in Sydney housing Sydney's most exciting and historically iconic attractions..... YET IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RAIL TRANSPORT TO IT! Even at Rouse Hill where there are more cows than people living there they will have a heavy rail system in addition to their fast City buses. I'm happy to get rid of all those bone rattler buses we often get to travel in currently in Randwick City! Give me comfortable light rail carriages anytime. HURRY UP!!! It is simply embarrassing to have people transported in 'bone rattler' buses to the fantastic iconic attractions in the Randwick area including the SCG, Randwick Racecourse, UNSW, arguably Sydney's best beaches and Centennial Park. It is about time we got a faster transport system. Even the North West at Rouse Hill has a train station and we have nothing.Local residents will no longer have to sit in buses in gridlocked traffic along Anzac Parade due to extra traffic caused by entertainment venues in the Randwick area. No more suffering extensive, frustrating traffic snarls due to people attending the iconic attraction in the Randwick area.PLEASE HURRY UP AND BUILD THE LIGHT RAIL TO RANDWICK CITY!!!!!!!!!